Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of San Francisco topics

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Lists_of_San_Francisco_topics. Black Kite 00:10, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

List of San Francisco topics

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This is an almost-indecipherable mess that functions better as a category. Actually, categories serving the same function as this list do exist in the form of Category:San Francisco, California and its daughter categories. This is practically than a WP:DIRECTORY. Therefore, I urge deletion. kurykh 09:06, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

CommentKeep - I left a note at User talk:Decstop the editor who created this list about the AfD and with some suggestions for improvement. Not quite sure this one needs deletion, but it does need improvement.--Mike Cline (talk) 15:32, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:18, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:18, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
• Delete and encourage the editor behind this article to add everything in the list to Category:San Francisco, California and its sub categories. That would improve the category, eliminate the need for this awkward article, and conform with precdent. Also they could consider creating a Project for San Francisco in the mold of other city Projects like Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago or Wikipedia:WikiProject Pittsburgh and many others. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 22:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
• Keep The nomination does not conform to our guideline which makes it clear that categories do not supersede lists and that editors should not attempt to delete one form of navigation aid to allow the other to dominate. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
  • So how does this list serve any useful purpose? You cited a guideline but did not elaborate on how it is in any way relevant. The reason this list is nominated was because this list is simply useless from an encyclopedic point of view, not because I'm biased towards categories. You have misunderstood both the guideline and this AfD's rationale. --kurykh 07:14, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
• Delete. Organization of these topics simply by alphabetization is not very useful. Lists of San Francisco topics already does a fine job of organizing them. Location (talk) 00:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
• Keep Categories and lists are complementary, and there is no reason not to have both. We have more than one system of organization, and people shouldbe able to choose. If the list needs improvement, improve it. . DGG ( talk )
  • So how should it be improved? Tell us a means to do so; don't just dismiss people with vague instructions. --kurykh 07:14, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
• Delete. This article is jumbled, pointless, and uselessly sorts many unrelated topics alphabetically. The Lists of San Francisco topics and the city's numerous categories do a much better job. —№tǒŖïøŭş4lĭfė♫♪ 06:10, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
• Rename to Outline of San Francisco; if not then delete. As a list this is all over the place and breaks several article guidelines and policies which lists have to abide by, but it isn't too far away from being an outline. I know outlines are a touchy topic, but I'm rather fond of them. Like lists and categories they are navigational aids, but unlike lists they aren't encyclopedia articles and unlike categories they appear in the mainspace. ThemFromSpace 07:01, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

• Redirect to Lists of San Francisco topics. This list as a alphabetized list has no significant advantage over a category. On the other hand the redirect target is a well organized topical list that assists in directing the reader to articles of interest. -- Whpq (talk) 19:43, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
• Redirect. Agree with Whpq that this is a category and not useful like Lists of San Francisco topics. To those who say that categories do not supersede lists, I would point out that this list essentially functions as a category, and that any improvements should be centralized and combined with Lists of San Francisco topics. --Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 21:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.